It was funny watching it - if we believe Luxon, Bayly thought he had it under control (How?) and therefore never told Luxon who never knows anything.
Also I know there are people who are cowardly managers - and the way they manager is by pretending they don't know anything and always give an air of "you sort it out" so no-one tells them anything - and they can always appear "clean"
Yeh they pay lip service to standards aye. I wonder if they all come from that clique where success excuses bullying, you know the ends justifies the means type of mentality. I get a distinct whiff of superiority coming from both Bayly and Luxon.
When I first heard this news, I thought it was satire but no of course we are just in that timeline. Who does that? And an adult man - where and how does something like that come out from his subconscious?
And he didn't apologise - he blamed the complainant for getting offended. Bad form.
Have you just realised the "superiority" whiff? Lol. Haven't you heard of "I used to run an airline.." lol. Honestly you gotta laugh or you'll be constantly spewing at the shit coming out of the Beehive!
No, the whiff has been there all along…. But there have been times where it could have been misconstrued as ‘simply being out of touch’…. It’s now becoming more of a reek than a whiff.
OK KSJ someone said about me a few weeks ago, "it's good to see MT's shift" and I took that to mean - at the beginning, I was still trying to understand / see the angle / see the good / see the misunderstanding - but no, it's asked and answered now.
And I think we're in a pretty bad spot with a group like this in charge.
Listening to Bayley demonstrating a complete disconnect from his actions. He repeatedly infer that he only apologized because the complainant felt aggrieved, nothing about his disgusting behaviour being totally inappropriate in it's own right. In short Bayley revictimises the complainant by implying that the individuals response was the issue and not his own drunkard (?) Behaviour. As for Luxon's response, is anyone surprised by his faux outrage. He simply doesn't give a damn. It's just one more distraction in his bucket list tour de force
100% in agreement on all points and repeating this: by denying he said those words and denying the complainant's version, Bayly re-victimises the complainant.
It is possible to run a command across an organisation’s email boxes and remove a specific email. I’ve done it when all staff received a malicious link. But a government? Surely they have journaling and all email is preserved?
Every day I wake up and read or hear of the latest COC cock-up I feel us (NZ) sliding deeper into the swamp. I'm recycling DJT's remark - "Drain the swamp" in this case the entire Coalition. The latest creature from the swamp, A Bayly, has slithered up from the depths and sits on the edge grinning inanely at those who would point fingers at his hideous visage while his swamp creature in chief broods down in the murk over how to drag more of the outside world into the foul smelling pool of excrement he calls home.
Just how thick, juvenile and arrogant does a Tory pollie have to be to get sacked. Recall the fuss they made over Golriz and Genter.
Back in the day when 'Jack was as good as his master', that sort of behaviour, irrespective of his station in life, would have earned him a serious fat lip. Can't say they got it all wrong back then.
Again I say - lying is not an issue if the media downplay it and then dump it. This time the Opposition is drip feeding the story and that may keep it alive until even the Herald has to notice…
Bayly is a side-show compared to our REAL talent & backbone of workers leaving the country - it really hits home when it is someone you know personally in terms of their dedication & competence & recognise that if the govt of the day treated them & their workplaces as valued & valuable instead of gaslighting about $$$ they might not feel like leaving their homes.😥 I do know of someone who moved to Oz & came back, but many many many more families stay forever divided once they settle in somewhere else. Yes, it has happened for a long time, & further afield like the UK etc. but it was mostly people exploring & spreading their wings rather than being driven out by their own govt 🤬
Bayly behaved badly & gave his "boss" the opportunity to once again show his lack of leadership, while at the same time another Minister continues to behave badly with much more damaging consequences. McKee (who else?) announcing changes to the 3-strikes law before the Select Committee has even done it's work, & saying she will change the law retrospectively 😱
🤷Don't know what sort of turn out the protest gatherings will get tomorrow, but hopefully enough to give us hope that there is enough awareness of the need to fight back so that it might spread to the more apathetic who also don't buy what this govt is selling🤞We need to feel we are not shouting into the void of Substack, but that people in real life see what we see eh? 🙏
Yeah I hear you - you are like a kindred spirit, Cindy. And you often capture my expanded thoughts so articulately.
It does feel like shouting in to the wind at times. Yesterday someone accused me of tricking people and making money. I almost laughed - I mostly feel stupid here for putting in so much time and effort and that's the reaction. People are incredulous.
As to Luxon and his damaging policies, I have noticed every single time they have bad news, he inevitably comes out with a tough law and order announcement. It's so juvenile and disheartening.
Actually MT, the email being removed from inboxes is really very concerning. And as you say thank goodness this person had witnesses, how inconvenient for Bayly and Luxon otherwise I'd imaging they would simply deny it ever happened. Whats with Brownlee refusing to answer, does he have a right to refuse?
I think they have a right for now - but let's be honest - it would be pretty fast to come up with the answer.
Was it automated or a human step?
If it was the former, how did it make it into inboxes first?
If the latter, who instructed it?
And yes if they didn't have him dead to rights, I can guarantee they would have denied and lied - when someone lies as non-compunctiously as Luxon, it's hard not to see the play.
They're such plonkers - and more seriously it's so silly to have people like this in charge of our rules and regulations and laws and guidelines. As someone else noted today, it's starting to feel like the social contracts are being broken here.
Wow, when an apology is not an apology and doubles down on harm. Talk about rubbing salt in wounds. What absolutely unprofessional and immature behaviour. And as for Luxon, integrity missing in action!
It's weird that a PM is so removed and doesn't care that he didn't get a heads up about a potential issue.
It was funny watching it - if we believe Luxon, Bayly thought he had it under control (How?) and therefore never told Luxon who never knows anything.
Also I know there are people who are cowardly managers - and the way they manager is by pretending they don't know anything and always give an air of "you sort it out" so no-one tells them anything - and they can always appear "clean"
Lester Levy is the same.
I'm laughing at Sopers suggestion media are a bit too hard on Bayly, ....aww that poor delicate soul...
It should've been noted as a potential issue right from the get go given it looked like Bayly had had a few...
And PM let off the hook - Lee lost her cabinet seat and yet Baylys still there. Double standards anyone?
Yeh they pay lip service to standards aye. I wonder if they all come from that clique where success excuses bullying, you know the ends justifies the means type of mentality. I get a distinct whiff of superiority coming from both Bayly and Luxon.
When I first heard this news, I thought it was satire but no of course we are just in that timeline. Who does that? And an adult man - where and how does something like that come out from his subconscious?
And he didn't apologise - he blamed the complainant for getting offended. Bad form.
Have you just realised the "superiority" whiff? Lol. Haven't you heard of "I used to run an airline.." lol. Honestly you gotta laugh or you'll be constantly spewing at the shit coming out of the Beehive!
No, the whiff has been there all along…. But there have been times where it could have been misconstrued as ‘simply being out of touch’…. It’s now becoming more of a reek than a whiff.
OK KSJ someone said about me a few weeks ago, "it's good to see MT's shift" and I took that to mean - at the beginning, I was still trying to understand / see the angle / see the good / see the misunderstanding - but no, it's asked and answered now.
And I think we're in a pretty bad spot with a group like this in charge.
I hear ya.
Listening to Bayley demonstrating a complete disconnect from his actions. He repeatedly infer that he only apologized because the complainant felt aggrieved, nothing about his disgusting behaviour being totally inappropriate in it's own right. In short Bayley revictimises the complainant by implying that the individuals response was the issue and not his own drunkard (?) Behaviour. As for Luxon's response, is anyone surprised by his faux outrage. He simply doesn't give a damn. It's just one more distraction in his bucket list tour de force
100% in agreement on all points and repeating this: by denying he said those words and denying the complainant's version, Bayly re-victimises the complainant.
It is possible to run a command across an organisation’s email boxes and remove a specific email. I’ve done it when all staff received a malicious link. But a government? Surely they have journaling and all email is preserved?
Yes and the question is why a complainant's letter would be marked as malicious...hmmm
Every day I wake up and read or hear of the latest COC cock-up I feel us (NZ) sliding deeper into the swamp. I'm recycling DJT's remark - "Drain the swamp" in this case the entire Coalition. The latest creature from the swamp, A Bayly, has slithered up from the depths and sits on the edge grinning inanely at those who would point fingers at his hideous visage while his swamp creature in chief broods down in the murk over how to drag more of the outside world into the foul smelling pool of excrement he calls home.
They do seem to stink and are not ashamed of it
Just how thick, juvenile and arrogant does a Tory pollie have to be to get sacked. Recall the fuss they made over Golriz and Genter.
Back in the day when 'Jack was as good as his master', that sort of behaviour, irrespective of his station in life, would have earned him a serious fat lip. Can't say they got it all wrong back then.
But if a farce that that gets a pass for sure
Again I say - lying is not an issue if the media downplay it and then dump it. This time the Opposition is drip feeding the story and that may keep it alive until even the Herald has to notice…
It’s sad that they have to be drip fed to keep the story alive. It was clear Luxon was trying take air out of it.
Luxon was a ring-in. Collins was stronger and she's still hanging in. The marginal Nat MPs will be nervous about his polling.
I think they way will dump him once all the unpopular policies are enacted. No one likes Luxon
Bayly is a side-show compared to our REAL talent & backbone of workers leaving the country - it really hits home when it is someone you know personally in terms of their dedication & competence & recognise that if the govt of the day treated them & their workplaces as valued & valuable instead of gaslighting about $$$ they might not feel like leaving their homes.😥 I do know of someone who moved to Oz & came back, but many many many more families stay forever divided once they settle in somewhere else. Yes, it has happened for a long time, & further afield like the UK etc. but it was mostly people exploring & spreading their wings rather than being driven out by their own govt 🤬
Bayly behaved badly & gave his "boss" the opportunity to once again show his lack of leadership, while at the same time another Minister continues to behave badly with much more damaging consequences. McKee (who else?) announcing changes to the 3-strikes law before the Select Committee has even done it's work, & saying she will change the law retrospectively 😱
🤷Don't know what sort of turn out the protest gatherings will get tomorrow, but hopefully enough to give us hope that there is enough awareness of the need to fight back so that it might spread to the more apathetic who also don't buy what this govt is selling🤞We need to feel we are not shouting into the void of Substack, but that people in real life see what we see eh? 🙏
Yeah I hear you - you are like a kindred spirit, Cindy. And you often capture my expanded thoughts so articulately.
It does feel like shouting in to the wind at times. Yesterday someone accused me of tricking people and making money. I almost laughed - I mostly feel stupid here for putting in so much time and effort and that's the reaction. People are incredulous.
As to Luxon and his damaging policies, I have noticed every single time they have bad news, he inevitably comes out with a tough law and order announcement. It's so juvenile and disheartening.
No values other than money.
No decision-making criterion other than cost.
But money can’t buy him love.
Yes.
Actually MT, the email being removed from inboxes is really very concerning. And as you say thank goodness this person had witnesses, how inconvenient for Bayly and Luxon otherwise I'd imaging they would simply deny it ever happened. Whats with Brownlee refusing to answer, does he have a right to refuse?
I think they have a right for now - but let's be honest - it would be pretty fast to come up with the answer.
Was it automated or a human step?
If it was the former, how did it make it into inboxes first?
If the latter, who instructed it?
And yes if they didn't have him dead to rights, I can guarantee they would have denied and lied - when someone lies as non-compunctiously as Luxon, it's hard not to see the play.
I’ll be very interested to see how they wiggle out of this one!
Muhaha <evil laugh>
They're such plonkers - and more seriously it's so silly to have people like this in charge of our rules and regulations and laws and guidelines. As someone else noted today, it's starting to feel like the social contracts are being broken here.
Wow, when an apology is not an apology and doubles down on harm. Talk about rubbing salt in wounds. What absolutely unprofessional and immature behaviour. And as for Luxon, integrity missing in action!
It's time the media push back on the constant 'I was not aware' with "WHY WEREN'T YOU AWARE?"
Just one please.