The Hikoi was a call to unity in the face of lies. Just keep saying who was on it. Lol Not just the Maori Party. It was all people from every where who stood and welcomed them, or walked with them. Seymour has "been seen!!" and nothing he can say now will change that. We stand in unity.
Yes they are definitely trying to split Maori off, depicting them as an unworthy race of people.
But, he's being thick in making that tactical error.
I went to Bastion point to add my support and I was delighted and amazed at the number of non Maori support both there and on the approaches.
It would be an interesting exercise for some guru to quantify non Maori support at the various assemblies. I know my granddaughter her Canadian husband and two great grandsons attended at Welly.
👍💯👏Can't find anything to disagree with here - and very succinctly explained (with receipts).
My big fear is the mis/disinformation - I believe that the vast majority of people in Aotearoa have "values" that would be in contrast with this current govt & the way they are going about achieving the "end game" as you outline. Yes, there will be some who might want a bit more freedom to wreck their own personal backyard, but most want their children/grandchildren to inherit a healthy land, and a healthy populace. Certainly since COVID we have learnt that we are all interconnected - literally someone can SNEEZE in Queenstown & the whole population is in danger 😱, or a weather bomb can hit a wide area & thousands are homeless & without power or comms/and nec minit another weather bomb hits another area & thousands are homeless & without power & comms 😥 Lower vaccination rates puts the children of EVERYONE at greater risk if they happen to be immuno-compromised - measles, whooping cough & now polio 🤬
You are dead on in that we should concentrate on VALUES & not party politics, but it comes back to ensuring the growing information bubbles people can choose or fall into can suffocate the "values" under false choices based on loyalty rather than logic. To be frank, over my life I have voted for several different parties (some of which don't exist any more!) so it has always been either FOR whomever reflects my values best, or AGAINST whomever poses the most danger to my values 🤷 and not who is perfect 🖤🤍❤️
The Hikoi was a grand demonstration of passive resistance. And, if the govt ignores this signal and doesn’t back off I'm fearful of the end result.
There are some angry people out here, they are growing and getting more angry. I think that a small igniting incident could very well trigger unprecedented violent riots.
For we pacifists start to think about how you can insulate yourself, maybe like you would provision your family for a natural disaster.
The Hikoi will be ignored. They started that on the day when they started painting it as a Te Pati Maori throng and Seymour said they didn't represent New Zealand.
The thing is, John, the only thing not yet ticked off on the Atlas Network cheat sheet for this lot is "criminalizing peaceful protests".
Mark Mitchell did a lot of posturing during and before the Hikoi to try to paint it as disorderly and lawlessness and if they had even one small excuse, they would have blown that up to epic proportions.
Unfortunately for them it was peaceful, energetic, supportive and uplifting so all their people could do was talk about how some gang members were there with their insignia on, and it was affiliated to Te Pati Maori.
But they are looking for lawlessness in my opinion - they are looking for an excuse to say they need to come down stronger on Maori and their supporters.
Who has the guns, military and police? What better way to demonise and paint Maori as unworthy, irresponsible, lawless and "mongrels" than to keep provoking them and then prove they aren't worthy if they react with anger.
Every time I have seen Luxon he is lecturing Maori on the need to be polite while he gaslights, ignores, and attacks them through his government's policies and actions?
I have to give credit to them for their patience. I'm not sure I wouldn't want to throw anything at Luxon myself, but my point, everything for them is a narrative.
So if anyone speaks louder, says a cuss word (except Erica Stanford, of course, she's just a misunderstood sweetheart who never broke those habits since childhood), or throws anything at them, they wil paint this as "See we are being civil, polite and white" while those primitive people shout, sing and throw things.
The Hikoi was a call to unity in the face of lies. Just keep saying who was on it. Lol Not just the Maori Party. It was all people from every where who stood and welcomed them, or walked with them. Seymour has "been seen!!" and nothing he can say now will change that. We stand in unity.
Yes they are definitely trying to split Maori off, depicting them as an unworthy race of people.
But, he's being thick in making that tactical error.
I went to Bastion point to add my support and I was delighted and amazed at the number of non Maori support both there and on the approaches.
It would be an interesting exercise for some guru to quantify non Maori support at the various assemblies. I know my granddaughter her Canadian husband and two great grandsons attended at Welly.
👍💯👏Can't find anything to disagree with here - and very succinctly explained (with receipts).
My big fear is the mis/disinformation - I believe that the vast majority of people in Aotearoa have "values" that would be in contrast with this current govt & the way they are going about achieving the "end game" as you outline. Yes, there will be some who might want a bit more freedom to wreck their own personal backyard, but most want their children/grandchildren to inherit a healthy land, and a healthy populace. Certainly since COVID we have learnt that we are all interconnected - literally someone can SNEEZE in Queenstown & the whole population is in danger 😱, or a weather bomb can hit a wide area & thousands are homeless & without power or comms/and nec minit another weather bomb hits another area & thousands are homeless & without power & comms 😥 Lower vaccination rates puts the children of EVERYONE at greater risk if they happen to be immuno-compromised - measles, whooping cough & now polio 🤬
You are dead on in that we should concentrate on VALUES & not party politics, but it comes back to ensuring the growing information bubbles people can choose or fall into can suffocate the "values" under false choices based on loyalty rather than logic. To be frank, over my life I have voted for several different parties (some of which don't exist any more!) so it has always been either FOR whomever reflects my values best, or AGAINST whomever poses the most danger to my values 🤷 and not who is perfect 🖤🤍❤️
Can't disagree with anything you say,.... again.
The Hikoi was a grand demonstration of passive resistance. And, if the govt ignores this signal and doesn’t back off I'm fearful of the end result.
There are some angry people out here, they are growing and getting more angry. I think that a small igniting incident could very well trigger unprecedented violent riots.
For we pacifists start to think about how you can insulate yourself, maybe like you would provision your family for a natural disaster.
The Hikoi will be ignored. They started that on the day when they started painting it as a Te Pati Maori throng and Seymour said they didn't represent New Zealand.
The thing is, John, the only thing not yet ticked off on the Atlas Network cheat sheet for this lot is "criminalizing peaceful protests".
Mark Mitchell did a lot of posturing during and before the Hikoi to try to paint it as disorderly and lawlessness and if they had even one small excuse, they would have blown that up to epic proportions.
Unfortunately for them it was peaceful, energetic, supportive and uplifting so all their people could do was talk about how some gang members were there with their insignia on, and it was affiliated to Te Pati Maori.
But they are looking for lawlessness in my opinion - they are looking for an excuse to say they need to come down stronger on Maori and their supporters.
True, it does seem deliberately provocative.
At what point does rioting become a civil war
Who has the guns, military and police? What better way to demonise and paint Maori as unworthy, irresponsible, lawless and "mongrels" than to keep provoking them and then prove they aren't worthy if they react with anger.
Every time I have seen Luxon he is lecturing Maori on the need to be polite while he gaslights, ignores, and attacks them through his government's policies and actions?
I have to give credit to them for their patience. I'm not sure I wouldn't want to throw anything at Luxon myself, but my point, everything for them is a narrative.
So if anyone speaks louder, says a cuss word (except Erica Stanford, of course, she's just a misunderstood sweetheart who never broke those habits since childhood), or throws anything at them, they wil paint this as "See we are being civil, polite and white" while those primitive people shout, sing and throw things.
It's an ugly game and NZ voted it into power.
Dangerous times MT. Good summation.
Shared.