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Colly66's avatar

Luxon also previously saying we have to stand on our own and can't expect bail outs from the government anymore in disasters. All whilst watering down any climate change policies and wanting to destroy conservation land. He left it up to Mark Mitchell today, who I thought looked like a possum in the headlights. Must say pretty disappointing at surveys that show climate and environment fairly low on peoples concerns. They should be bloody concerned as once the ecosystems start breaking down, flooding will be least of our worries - food and water will be what will become the biggest worry.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Yes! And saw a headline saying farmers wanted protection from flooding while supporting the anti-climate, pro-emission policies of this lot.

I’ve been wondering when Luxon would speak up about the floods - and it seems the right time for them is when people start dying. Such an absolute asshole, excuse the French.

As to the ecosystem, not sure they care about more than $ signs, and assume they believe they will be buffeted from the impacts.

Judgey's avatar

Sorry to make you even more concerned but there are 9 Planetary Boundaries that set out scientific based safe thresholds for the planet. Climate change is one of the 9 boundaries, we have exceeded 7 of 9 as of 2025. We really should be f**king scared because this is extinction level damage we are causing.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Testament to the success of the right and the fossil fuel lobby that the majority of us (at least me for one) doesn't know this and ... remain complacent in the face of it all.

James Wilkes's avatar

Luxon says we have to control what we can control. Mmmm, controlling Mother Nature is tricky. What would Luxon do? Ooooh, ooooh, I know, say three Hallelujahs, two Kumbayas, and finish with a Hail Mary. Back on track, whoops, sorry, messed up. I mean relentlessly focus on the basics, which is controlling what you can control. Rinse and repeat. Climate what?

Juergen's avatar

One would think the basics are:

Environment (survivable) incl. clean air and water

Then comes:

Food

Shelter

Health

Education

And they’re on the way to destroy all of it.

Cindy's avatar

🤔 When people answer surveys like that, it is often their personal struggles that get top priority as it affects them daily and NOW🤷 So trying to feed, house, & keep their family healthy get top ranked for that reason. Of course, climate crisis/change will make all of that worse, and most people I know are CONCERNED all right, but honestly don't know what they personally can do to change anything - apart from recycling & other seemingly tiny contributions.

Ange Boland's avatar

I agree totally Cindy. It makes me feel so despondent.

Most of us can’t afford a flash EV, or solar power.

Then when you recycle, thinking you’re at least doing “something”, you find out it’s all getting shipped to another country and dumped. 🤬

Cindy's avatar

🤔 In Otautahi-Christchurch I'm pretty sure MOST of the recycling is bona-fide 🤞 Our green waste is made into compost we can buy, & the plastic/glass recycling seems above-board & public compliance is reported to be improving as to what is useful & what might contaminate & render un-recyclable 🤷 I also save all my soft plastics & leave them at New World Supermarkets collection bins, & they have started accepting (separately) different types of lids that can't go into normal recycling because they are too small & clog up with works. The soft plastics go to make fence posts & other items, but not sure about lids... As consumers, rate-payers, citizens we can quietly or noisily ask that these options are readily available & proven to be genuine. My major gripe is all the TIME I spend cleaning everything first 😂

Ange Boland's avatar

That’s what I thought too, however I don’t believe that is the case everywhere. I recall hearing entire truckloads being dumped at the tip because it was contaminated, and a petition to stop our plastics being sent to somewhere like Malaysia or Indonesia.

Liz Francis's avatar

Coffee with group of oldies this morning- they all believe they are powerless to change things so are going with the flow - they think i am nuts to protest! My guess is they will all vote for either Winston or National.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Yes they love to give people the excuse of being “powerless!”

Archives Rock's avatar

Also of note was Bashindell standing in the back of shot behind Mobster Mitch, adjusting his "empathy face" and making sure the camera saw him 🤢

All these ghouls know is performative handwringing and grift.

John Walker's avatar

Someone in the past week or so renamed 'climate change' as "Climate Crisis" I think that is now a more apt term. Not sure if it was on one of yours or Nick Rs epistles.

Keep hammering in those nails Tui, a coffin large enough for these drongos is what we're aiming for

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Climate crisis

Meth crisis

Homeless crisis

* Comment on here

James Wilkes's avatar

And crisis crisis….with a side of insurance crisis.

John Walker's avatar

I was about to say, 'you've nailed it' it's getting to that silly time of night

John Flinn's avatar

It was me! John Flinn. Climate change is a hoax. (Trump and others) Very few commentators, if any, use the words CLIMATE CRISIS. Too scared. Too politically correct. But with recent events in Aotearoa, surely it’s an established fact now.

John Walker's avatar

Thanks John, we're lucky we have astute buggers like you around

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Hear hear to the Johns :-)

rainbow brute's avatar

Several councils formally declared a climate crisis a few years back. Some even still take that seriously!

Ange Boland's avatar

Those councils wouldn’t happen to be regional councils, would they? You know, the ones the CoC’s want to get rid of?

rainbow brute's avatar

Definitely some! I think some city councils too though, there was a bit of a movement supported by strong push from Labour govt as I recall

Ange Boland's avatar

I read comments on Facebook from people stoked that the Regional Councils are facing the chopping block.

Mainly because they “wOn’T hAvE to pAy” RC rates anymore. Apparently they are all overpaid pencil pushers. Those people also think the local councils are filled with overpaid pencil pushers.

They also are the ones who complain when we can’t swim in the rivers, or the rubbish bins haven’t been emptied, etc.

The human race is doomed…

Cindy's avatar

🙋 I didn't invent it, but I read it too & have started using it, as it seems we are past the bland "change" - I mean "a change is as good as a holiday" ⁉️ Certainly " a CRISIS is as good as a holiday" conveys a different tone 🤗

Mountain Tūī's avatar

I have not thanks Ange

Just saw Winston's statement on Gaza org saying "NZ recognises the leadership of the USA"

Ange Boland's avatar

Now we know why 🤬

Keith Simes's avatar

A lot of voters are happy to not join the dots if they are promised a short term sugar hit financially. Focusing on dessert rather than the desert

Mountain Tūī's avatar

That's an electoral reality the parties will take into account - for better or worse.

I see so many comments blaming this or that, but I wonder how many people also realise it's also the voters...

Judgey's avatar

Nobody ever gets a sugar hit unless you are already sorted, the rest of us are always worse off. Wealth transfer from bottom feeders, working class to the parasitic class.

Tim's avatar
Jan 22Edited

There's a lot about anthropogenic climate change that the public have not understood, because scientific numbers like 1-2 degrees of warming sound mild. What they need to be told by the media constantly now is, the amount of water vapour in the air increases in an *exponential* way as heat rises. That's why we're not getting 1/10 year storms every year now, but 1/100 year ones... Another decade or so of inaction and we're going to be getting 1/200 year storms.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

This is what annoys me, Tim. The media would be capable of explanation if it had the will and the consistency, but the narratives of fossil fuel companies, and the accompanying anger many feel at the words 'climate change' has cowered this agenda into effective nothingness.

I'm not a scientist or familiar with the topic, but I want to be educated. I think many would be.

John Chipper's avatar

There is so much disinformation produced on this topic which appears to deliberately create confusion and disbelief.

Even David Attenborough with his outstanding reputation cannot move the disbelievers.

It’s a difficult subject to broach as too many feel “it’s political” and shy away from it.

It is of course a scientific topic which in a Machiavellian self interested manner has been politicised.

It’s unbelievable that the petro chemical industry clings onto and actively supports anti climate change propaganda.

“Just Have A Think” is an excellent source of the latest research on this topic designed for both scientists and lay people.

If the world doesn’t get a proper understanding of the urgency we are headed for extinction of life on earth.

That reality is yet to be remotely grasped by politicians who continue to follow outmoded economic models.

Like frogs we are slowly being boiled unaware the temperature of the water is slowly destroying us all.

It’s real folks!

Believe it.

https://youtu.be/o-pZNRN4XAE?si=SdKcXgBg5Kye0CUu

Just have a look at Just Have a think and think about it.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

100%

What I find interesting is how frequently angry people get at the mere mention of climate change. They latch onto fossil fuel talking points and take it as their own, and very very personally.

Humans are honestly so easily manipulated, it's quite sad.

Judgey's avatar

Only when people are personally affected do they start to take things seriously, unfortunately it is a probably a little too late then. They have lost a loved one, lost their home and all their belongings and face the prospect of being financially impacted for the rest of their lives.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Yep one of the sadder features of human nature, I reckon, Judgey…

Cindy's avatar

🙋 One of the "facts" that pulled me up when I initially heard it a few years ago - the EARTH will survive & adapt but HUMANS will not 😱 (unless we actually physically blow it up or a huge asteroid smashes us to bits 🤷) In other words, it is a self-preservation imperative for us today (possibly? ) & our descendants (certainly!)

Neville Anderson's avatar

100%

Ange Boland's avatar

Yes!

Ange Boland's avatar

Speak all the French you like MT.

I am fucking angry.

How much evidence do you need?

I don’t understand the mentality. If you love your children, and their offspring, would you not be concerned about the world humans are destroying?

Liz Francis's avatar

I don't think any of the dastardly elite who are pulling political strings here in nz or elsewhere, are concerned about climate change - they either deny it is happening, or plan to survive in their bunkers. Isn't that the plan behind Elon musk's fathering of so many children. His version of survival of the "fittest"!

Susie Vincent's avatar

I want to see the accounts. Climate resiliency fund: Opening balance $6 billion. Drawings: (dates, transfers to central govt funds, expenditure thereafter and on precisely what, dates, payees). Planned expenditure (source of funds for $6 billion on roads of national significance (sic)?)

Closing balance as at 31.12.25.

I wonder how far an OIA would get with this.

Cindy's avatar

🤔 A hard one about Luxon - if I were in the midst of a crisis he would not be welcome to turn up & spout meaningless platitudes & lie about what his govt has done/will do. Also, read that he's "sacrificing" the Ratana gathering to go play politics, which I'm sure he's heart broken to miss 😱

🙋 I'm sick of reading about "once in a 100 year events" when we all know that frequency & scale have increased in our lifetime experience, let alone the cold hard data that says "hottest year on record" "most rainfall since records began" etc etc. It was a bit of a gut-punch reading the contrast between the previous Labour/Greens govt approach compared to this lot... Of course it would have still rained as much but would some of the areas have been better prepared with available focus & funding? We can't know, but we DO know there were people TRYING to do something, instead of diverting funding to the pet projects/interests of Ministers/lobbyists/donors, none of which are of benefit to the majority, and actually often promote harmful outcomes.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

While Labour/Greens might have tried to help more, they would have also been battered in the media more.

This is the real issue of being a left wing party, Cindy. It's a no win situation.

Jane's avatar

We have to endure 11 months of election earing from this clown.

Leonie's avatar

Luxon is skipping Ratana, to go to the flood areas.

Archives Rock's avatar

Entirely convenient. Imagine the relief he felt, leaping at another handy chance to skip out on any obligation to observe significant events to Māori. Probably has everything crossed for Waitangi also.

Liz Francis's avatar

Yes, got to give him credit for that, or is it a convenient way to avoid being challenged by those who have been significantly attacked policy wise over the past 2 years?

John Walker's avatar

Definitely the latter Liz

rainbow brute's avatar

Exactly!

Cheryl Johnstone's avatar

It's most certainly what I think Liz. It will be very interesting to see where he scarpers off to this year on Waitangi Day. He can't run off to the Sth Is because Ngai Tahu have decided to stand strong with their Nth Is brothers.

gregoryhugh's avatar

Wasn’t Ansett Bankruptcy under Luckless’s watch ??

World Ocean Warming (Human Cause) Resultant Flooding & Landslides

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Air NZ didn't fare well under Luxon - he was vested in making himself look good, cutting costs, making poor strategic decisions etc.

More here: https://mountaintui.substack.com/p/luxon-is-a-dud-leader-and-his-tenure?utm_source=publication-search

Winston Moreton's avatar

Yes he sold the golden goose landing slot at Heathrow for a windfall gain of $25m. Made the books look good for that year.

Yet another reason to hook up with Oz. We can close AirNZ overseas arm and go to the UK with QANTAS

gregoryhugh's avatar

Oops, wasn’t Luckless involved with Ansett problems. My bad.. but he’s certainly helping us off the cliff with Climate, Homelessness, Deficit and Knee bending to Strumpet..

Neville Anderson's avatar

And, if I may.. where the bloody hell are the Greens on this?? Coastal Victoria here in Aus was just hit with catastrophic storms and flooding.. dramatic footage of cars swept out to sea etc.. it’s as though our whole southern region is being hammered all at once. It might be time for an Australasian climate summit or some sort of united group of eminent climatologists and environmentalists.. green/teal politicians, climate 200 etc on board to get the messaging out. Recent heat waves here (43 degrees) made it crystal clear to me how dangerous and concerning the issue is. Meanwhile, Albanese green lights another bloody coal mine! Fkg madness.

Mountain Tūī's avatar

The Green Party is in recess, I assume they are going to come out more forcefully at latter stages but although I recall James Shaw talking urgently about climate change, and wanting to do everything he could to help stem it, I don’t perceive the same about the current leadership.

Neville Anderson's avatar

There still doesn’t seem like any collaborative link between Labour and any of the other left leaning parties. Early days I know but…

Mountain Tūī's avatar

I wrote somewhere on the new post that I vividly recall Chloe coming out of the gate to say she wanted Greens to be the leading voice of the left, and something else, to which Chippy responded "We aren't the enemy here" or something to that effect.

She and the Party repeated the leading voice sentiment in the Green Party Annual Conference.

Now I've called many times for co-operation through 2024 and 2025 but now - having been more immersed in left wing politics and the people that are within it i.e. not on a party level but on a personality/people level, I'm not so sure anymore.

TGP have a new Chief of Staff after a series of departures last year (which spoke to the party dynamics) According to a new report he wants to bring more maturity and discipline (my words) - I think that's going to be needed.

Neville Anderson's avatar

Hmmmm..

Cindy's avatar

🙋 "the Greens" are talking on every platform available about this - the main-stream media are not reporting them apart from occasional sound-bites (often click-baity to make them look unhinged 🤬)

Neville Anderson's avatar

My oath! Look what’s happened to TPM due to a glaring lack of. Fingers crossed Tui.. fingers crossed 🤞🏻

Mountain Tūī's avatar

Yep - together we’re stronger though so it’s nice to be among friends. Thanks Neville.

Neville Anderson's avatar

Thanks Cindy, good to know. I really do despair for Aotearoa’s dreadful media landscape.. most concerning

Mark Behnke's avatar

If they stick to the Trump University curriculum, their rhetoric will just run further in the opposite direction from the facts in front of our eyes.

Judgey's avatar

If people are concerned then one thing they can do is vote for parties that take it seriously too.